Soprod Caliber A10

Soprod Caliber A10

Soprod Caliber A10

BrandSoprod
Base CaliberA10 (A-10), A10-2
Movement TypeAutomatic
Lignes11.5”’
Diameter
25.60mm
Height3.6mm (not including the hands)
Jewels
25
Vibrations Per Hour28,800 bph
Power Reserve
42 hours
Lift Angle
47 degrees
Min. Amplitude
210 degrees
Shock SystemIncabloc
Balance
Glucydur
Hacking Seconds?Yes
Hand Windable?
Yes
FeaturesHours, minutes, central seconds, date. Open balance and skeletonized versions also available.
Country of ManufactureSwitzerland
Known ModelsSinn T1, Sinn T2, Sinn EZM3, Stowa Marine Automatic, JS Watch Islandus, Aegir CD-1, Aegir CD-2, JS Watch Frisland, JS Watch 100, Steinhart Ocean Titanium 500 Premium, Junghans Meister Classics (Add your watch to the comments below…)

The Soprod caliber A10 is a Swiss made automatic movement that has been produced since 2004. Soprod is a division of the Festina Group. Although often referred to as the A10 (and often incorrectly as A-10), the full caliber designation is “SOP Alternance 10” and the current official caliber number is “SOP A10-2”. The Soprod A10 is now known as the Soprod caliber M100.

Some History:

The A in “A10” comes from the Indtec SA caliber Alternance 10. Indtec (based in Sion, Switzerland) was a subsidiary of the Société de Finance et Technologie (aka SFT). Indtec was was registered in 1984, and later SFT was established in 1993. Both were started in part by Swiss entrepreneur Victor Bruzzo who formerly held the title of Chief of Production at SWATCH. SFT specialized in quartz movements – producing around 100 million units per year. In 2002, Leman Capital purchased the DFT Group, and later acquired Soprod in 2005.

Soprod A10 VS A10-2 differences:

As we’ve seen with the Sellita SW200-1 and ETA 2824-2, hyphenated calibers often represent evolution or upgrades in a movement. Soprod has the A10 and A10-2, but what changed? We have not been able to confirm the exact differences between them. There is speculation about the escapement – that Seiko may have provided the escapements for the original A10, and now they are provided by Festina’s own mhvj (see below). While this is possible, it is also unconfirmed.

Seiko 4L25 / ETA 2892?

The Soprod A10 is considered to be based on the Seiko caliber 4L family (caliber 4L25/4L75) found in higher end Seiko watches, including the Credor line. In fact, popular speculation is that the 4L/A10 connection stems from a licensing agreement between Seiko/Soprod. This “license deal” is unconfirmed. A high quality image of the 4L25 is still needed to make a side-by-side comparison.

The 4L25 was pitched as being a direct replacement of the ETA 2892A2. The A10 is not exactly an ETA 2892 clone, it is more like an ETA 2892 alternative. It is also regarded as being a direct replacement, sharing the same dimensions and dial feet location (just like the Seiko 4L).

Soprod A10 M100 Eta 2892a2 Clone

Three variations of the A10:

The Soprod A10 serves as the base for other Soprod calibers with various complication modules available, but the main A10 caliber has three versions. All three share general specs: same dimensions, 25 jewels, 28,800, etc.

  • SOP A10-2 – Regular three hands with a date at 3:00.
  • SOP A10BV-2 – Open balance wheel, three hands, no date.
  • SOP A10SQ-2 – Full skeleton dial, three hands, no date.

Soprod Caliber Sop A10bv A10sq 2

A10 Options from Soprod:

  • COSC: Certification on request
  • Hand fitting: Special hand fitting height other than H1. Without sec. canon pinion with plug.
  • Date disc: Special transfer of the disc. Aperture other than 3h. Special colors or design.
  • Engraving: According to the text and location on the rotors or on the bridges.
  • Screws: Blue screws
  • Decorations on choice: Circular grained, Geneva stripes, circular stripes.
  • Finishing on choice: Rhodium-plating, gilt.

Finishing Options:

As mentioned above, there are three main finishes available from Soprod. Pictured below from left to right: Circular grain, Geneva stripes, circular stripes.

Soprod Caliber A10 Finishes

Accuracy:

Soprod states that the A10 is tested in 5 positions at the factory. The claimed accuracy is an average of +/-4 seconds per day, with a maximum deviation of 15 seconds per day.

mhvj Swiss made escapement:

Along with Soprod, Manufacture Horlogère Vallée de Joux aka mhvj (officially written in lowercase letters) is also a division of Festina Group. mhvj was established after Jean-Daniel Dubois sold his company Dubois Technique Horlogère S.A. to Festina Group. Side note: Dubois then served as CEO of Vaucher Manufacture Fleurier (VMF) for a period of time.

“At our factory, our 26 employees handle virtually every facet of movement making”, says MHVJ operational director Olivier Pavillon. “From machining, profile-turning, burnishing, cutting and escapement-making, to complete watch assembly.” –source

The A10 has been using the mhvj escapement since at least 2/2012 based on official Soprod document dates.

“Soprod entrusted mhvj, a society member of the Festina industrial Group, with the development of a Swiss made escapement for its A10-2 movement. Indeed, thanks to cutting-edge techniques and knowledge accumulated through watchmaking’s legacy of experience, mhvj offers a range of industrialized standard escapements, specialties such as the StruTec® and Diamaze diamond-coated silicon.” -Soprod

Video: mhvj’s use of robotic watchmaking

Watch brands using Soprod:

Festina Group which also owns Perrelet (since 2004), put out a press release in 2012 about the use of the caliber A10 in Perrelet watches, referring to it as a 100% manfacture-made movement and using the term in-house. The Perrelet caliber Alternance A10 is apparently no longer featured on their site, and like the Soprod A10 being renamed as the M100, it appears that Perrelet now uses P-321 and P-331 to designate these calibers (which still seem to use the same architecture of the base Soprod A10).

Soprod A10 M100 Perrelet P321 P 321

If you know of a watch brand using the Soprod A10, please list it below.

Watch brands no longer using Soprod:

An interesting observation, and maybe there will be more on this later: Some of the models listed in the chart above used the Soprod A10 (M100) at some point in production, but at the time of this post, some have stopped using Soprods and started using ETA 2892 or Sellita SW300-1 movements instead (Sinn and Steinhart for example).  A quick search of “Soprod” on Sinn’s official site leads to no matches found.

Caliber Commentary:

DamZe on WUS says:

“I am sad to confirm that Steinhart has decided to part ways with Soprod for their Premium line of wrist watches. Today I got off the phone with Steinhart support, they confirmed what I was fearing seeing the Ocean One Titanium and Blue getting their movement replaced from the Soprod a10-2 Top with the ETA 2892 A2-Top. Now I have nothing against the ETA2892 A2-Top grade (IMHO it’s the best mass produced ETA movement to date!)and I own several of these, but I am kind of sad to see Soprod leaving the Steinhart line up, as I believe the Soprod a10 to be a technically a more modern and robust alternative to the 2892, being a hybrid between the venerable Seiko 4L25 and the improvements Soprod made to this design I felt this was the best of both worlds…

Now many of you might be bewildered by this move, just as I was. But after squeezing some info out of Steinhart Support staff, it seems that Steinhart did not feel comfortable dealing with repair/servicing of their Soprod lineup,being as Soprod is pretty niche, and ETA having such a huge presence in the mechanical watch world, with spare parts being easily obtainable (for now,curse you tyrant Swatch!), and ETA is most likely able to undercut Soprod. The move back to ETA for the Premium lineup was perhaps inevitable?” –source

Additional Resources:

  • Soprod official site here
  • Browse more Soprod calibers here

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pops_937
pops_937
4 years ago

I have the Steinhart Ocean One Titanium with the Soprod A10-2. Time keeping is within the advertised specification and the decoration is beautiful. The seconds hand quickly moves into action with just a few turns of the crown if I haven’t worn it for a few days. I am not certain if I truly get 42hrs of power reserve although I’ve never measured it. The time keeping is precise enough throughout the day that I am simply very pleased with it overall.

PBJ
PBJ
4 years ago

Excellent post. Cracks me up when people say this Soprod A10 M100 is an ETA clone when it’s a Seiko clone! All the Swiss purists must hate to admit that.

MICHAEL M FROST
MICHAEL M FROST
4 years ago
Reply to  PBJ

Especially when it’s more accurate than any ETA I have owned. Mines running at -1 sec per day over a 15 day period worn 12 hours medium activity.

HSN
HSN
4 years ago

TEMPTION CM01 has this movement

MICHAEL M FROST
MICHAEL M FROST
4 years ago

I have a new Revue Thommen Diver GMT with this movement. It’s a goldilocks watch for me. Perfect style,quality and price point $595 US. When first received it was losing 2 hours GMT per day. Running +6 sec per day. I returned it and they installed a new movement. Now it’s more accurate than any ETA I have owned. Mines running at -1 sec per day over a 15 day period worn 12 hours medium activity per day. Never been happier. Time will tell the rest. No pun intended.

Phil
Phil
4 years ago

Didn’t know much about these, I know more now. researching for a project. Excellent source of information.

Tom
Tom
4 years ago

I recently bought the Steinhart Ocean Two Dual Time, with the Soprod 9335/A10.2 movement. I also wonder if it truly gets 48 hrs of power reserve, though I really don’t care – I am absolutely thrilled with the watch.

My only comment is there was no information on servicing intervals. General rule of thumb – every 10 years??

watchwolf_jl
watchwolf_jl
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom

For seiko its generall 3-5 years

Arash
Arash
3 years ago
Reply to  calibercorner

I saw very seiko 5 and running great and no service for more than 10 or 15 years!!!!

Garry Perkins
Garry Perkins
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom

I have Seiko’s I beat to hell, and they are running fine 5-8 years later. I say ten years, or if it is not keeping good time (low amplitude, if you can measure it).

Bill Sanders
Bill Sanders
4 years ago

My Christiaan Van Der Klaauw Ceres 1974 caliber CVDK1068 + Soprod A-10. The Soprod A-10 was verified by Christiaan Van Der Klaauw underneath the moon phase module, CVDK1068.

John Bråten
John Bråten
4 years ago

Just a really great site!

Simplius
Simplius
4 years ago

SarpanevaUhrenFabrik from Finland use A10.

Bob Martens
Bob Martens
4 years ago

JS Watch Co. from Iceland uses the A-10 since they stopped using the ETA 2824-2 Top-grade.

Peter
Peter
3 years ago

Temption Calla has this also

SR
SR
3 years ago

As of today Steinhart still advertises this movement in their limited edition diver

Clauber
Clauber
3 years ago

Davidoff velocity divers also use soprod.

fergfour
fergfour
2 years ago

The new Aragon Hercules uses the M100

Nico G.
Nico G.
2 years ago

Triton Subphotique is using Soprod A10-2

Albert L
Albert L
1 year ago
Reply to  Nico G.

I just ordered a Hercules purple dial. Am very interested to see how this movement compares with my multitude of eta movements. Also curious to see where Aragon is at finishing-wise.
At the price point I’m not overly optimistic or concerned at the same time. Just looks like a fun watch!

Ryan
Ryan
2 years ago

I love your site. Will you do the P024 soon?

Vlad
Vlad
2 years ago

@Caliber Corner Can’t wait to read about Soprod P024!

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[…] The 1887 is actually based on a Seiko Instruments TC78 (TC 78) framework, which is basically a non-Seiko branded caliber 6S78 (introduced in 1999 and found in the Credor Phoenix). You may see it mentioned that the 1887 is based on the Seiko 6S37, but the 6S37 is different in that is has a power reserve indicator located on the dial between 2:00 and 3:00. BTW – This isn’t the first time a Seiko platform was used for a Swiss movement: see the Soprod caliber A10. […]

Claus Valentin
Claus Valentin
2 years ago

Hi

Just to let you all know,,,
Arcanaut watches use Soprod A10 in their new custom line,,, used to use the Eta 2895,,, but not anymore!

All the best
CVurmageri

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Rick
Rick
2 years ago

Lorenz Theatro 26853 mount Soprod A10.

Jimmy Flynn
Jimmy Flynn
2 years ago

I own a Davidoff Velocity Diver, ref. 20800/011 which contains the Soprod A10-2 caliber. This watch is quite accurate on the Timegrapher, and has been dependable in over a year of watch rotation

Rob
Rob
1 year ago

I have a Bausele Pilot Automatic (the “Swiss” version as opposed to the “Japanese” version on their website) and believe it has the Soprod A10 or the A10-2 in it. (please someone correct me if I’m wrong, I’m new to watches). My father used to own the watch, and after breaking the strap on it and being not bothered to buy a new strap he stopped wearing it, where it sat unused for 4 years before he gave it to me. I bought a new strap and give it a gentle wind and started wearing it. At first it was… Read more »

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Attilio Morante
Attilio Morante
1 year ago

Io ho la fortuna di possedere uno Steinhart Premium Ocean One Blue con calibro Soprod A10-2, fatto revisionare da poco , ha una meccanica impeccabile, paragonabile al livello TOP e COSC . Sono molto soddisfatto.

Callin Mag
Callin Mag
1 year ago

Before adding my comment, does anyone know what percentage of this movement is Swiss only? So, I’ve had my Soprod M100 movement in the Aragon Hercules for 5 days. Tested with face up and full wind, it is +3 seconds. On the wrist it is +8 seconds. The actual watch is beautiful with MOP black dial. Has nice weight/feel. I bought it strictly because of the movement, however. I noticed the very few Soprod movements available for sale are3-5 times more expensive than the Aragon. I own many Aragon watches and they’re all made very well, so it wasn’t just… Read more »

Stian
Stian
8 months ago

Looks like a miyota 9015

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