Hkpt Caliber Pt5000 2824 Clone

H.K. Precision Technology Caliber PT5000

Hkpt Caliber Pt5000 2824 Clone

Manufacturer H.K. Precision Technology (HKPT)
Caliber Number PT5000
Movement:
Automatic
Lignes
11.5”’
Diameter
25.60mm
Height
4.60mm thick
Jewels 25
Power Reserve 38 hours
Lift Angle
50 degrees
Vibrations Per Hour 28,800 bph, 4Hz
Hacking? Yes
Hand-Windable?
Yes
Quickset Date? Yes
Rotor Type
Ball bearing
Anti-Shock Novodiac style (see below)
Functions Hours, minutes, central seconds, date at 3:00
Country of Manufacture China
Known Models
Shancheng Exceptional Life (山城表 卓越糸列非凡人生), Chronos Turtle Bronze Diver (Add your watch to the comments below…)
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The H.K. Precision Technology caliber PT5000 is an ETA 2824-2 clone made in China. The debut of this movement was mentioned in Chinese news articles as far back as September 2015.

Aside from 2 mechanical movements (PT5000 and a manual wind caliber PT5100), HK Precision Technology specializes mostly in multi-function quartz movements and digital LCD screen smart watch movements.

Hkpt Caliber Pt5000

Is caliber PT5000 a certified chronometer?

The ETA caliber 2824-2, as well as clones like the Sellita SW200-1, are available in a chronometer grade. Theoretically, this implies that any movement following the design of the 2824-2, made from similar quality materials and precisely regulated, should be able to pass the criteria used to determine chronometer certification.

On January 24, 2018, a Shancheng brand watch powered by the the caliber PT5000 received attention for receiving chronometer status after passing tests at the Glashütte Observatory in Germany. Although it’s possible that other brands using this caliber will market this achievement, it does not mean that all watches with this movement will be within chronometer spec. In other words, the capability for the caliber PT5000 to be adjusted for timekeeping within chronometer spec does not necessarily mean that a watch with this movement is a certified chronometer.

Chronometer Observatory in Glashutte:

Sometimes when folks hear the word “Glashütte” they immediately associate it with Glashütte Original. To clarify: The Glashütte Chronometer Observatory is located in the town of Glashütte, and is not affiliated with the Swatch Group owned watch brand Glashütte Original, other than the fact that they are in the same city. The observatory is actually owned and operated by German watch and jewelry retailer Wempe, where they certify their own brand of chronometer watches, as well as watches from other brands such as the aforementioned Shancheng.

The Glashütte Observatory tests and certifies watch movements for timekeeping within chronometer spec under DIN 8319. This is similar to how the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres (COSC) tests for ISO 3159 standards, except for the fact that COSC only tests and certifies Swiss made movements, whereas the Chronometer Observatory has no such restriction. Additionally, COSC tests uncased movements, but the Glashütte Observatory will test cased or uncased movements.

PT5000 Accuracy:

For caliber PT5000 movements that are available to purchase wholesale for other brands to put in their timepieces, HK Precision Technology claims an accuracy rating of +/-12 seconds per day. The experience with the movement pictured here has that rating beat…

0 Seconds Loss/Gain Phenomenon:

In the videos section below, there is a clip we posted on Instagram of a PT5000 powered watch on the timing machine. Here is the caption:

Did not want to believe the hype, but holy cow! This PT5000 has been consistently running at 0 seconds gain/loss all day. Straight from the factory, no regulating by us. Tested dial up, dial down, case closed, open… no change. Seriously impressed. Still straight 0’s as I’m typing this. Had to throw a Sellita SW200-1 on the timing machine just to make sure there wasn’t an issue lol.

Similarly, INAMINUTE posted this on WUS:

“STOP PRESS. I have now worn the watch for two days, and it still reads “0” beat error and “0” SPD. What is more, I have I have worn it during the day, laid it dial up at night, and timed it against “the exact time is” app, and it has maintained 100% accuracy. Seriously, if I couldn’t see the movement through the exhibition back, I may have thought it was a quartz. Amazing !!” –source

This is exceptional considering that this movement comes from a factory that specializes in digital LCD watch movements. Don’t get all excited though, the 0 seconds phenomenon does not mean you are going to experience the same results with your caliber PT5000. There are many variables that can affect timekeeping, but it is quite interesting to see similar performance of these movements being shared across the watch community. Have you timed a watch with this movement? Please comment below and let us know.

PT5000/2824-2 Parts Interchangeability

Although some brands using the PT5000 may tout that the ETA 2824-2 is a tried and true movement being used by many watch companies, therefore parts are always readily available if needed, it is not confirmed which (if any) parts from the ETA 2824-2 are directly interchangeable with the PT5000.

For example, although the Sellita SW200-1 is a clone of the ETA 2824-2, it still has parts that only fit Sellita. Clone does not mean exact 1 to 1 copy. It just means it is based on the original technical designs of the 2824-2. Therefore, we do no have enough information to comment on parts availability for the caliber PT5000.

The replacement price of the entire PT5000 movement may be more economical than spare parts for a Swiss made ETA 2824-2, so that alone should make one at ease with the idea of having to source parts. Just buy a spare movement and have it on hand if your is in need of repair.

It would be interesting to try various ETA parts in the PT5000, say for example the ratchet wheel or click spring. We may try this in the future. If so, we will update this post with results.

Editor’s Note: In the specs chart above you can see it says the shock protection is Novodiac by Incabloc (Unconfirmed). The reason this is unconfirmed is because it has not been confirmed whether it is a clone Novodiac (clone meaning knock-off, copy, counterfeit… right?) or if it is genuine Swiss Novodiac parts from Incabloc. With clone movements like this, there is no solid confirmation of stuff like this, and if 99.99% of the other parts are cloned/made in China, then what is to say the anti-shock isn’t as well? Unless the manufacturer of the movement discloses where individual components (such as the anti-shock device) came from, there is sometimes no way of knowing (beyond quality or side-by-side comparisons – which is not always accurate) and it possibly should be assumed that the parts are also cloned. Share your thoughts on this below.

Update: After getting our hands on a PT5000 and capturing macro shots (below), there are visual differences between the anti-shock in the movement when compared to a genuine Novodiac. It’s more of Novodiac “style” as far as we can tell. Interestingly, if you look at the marketing banner below from Shan Cheng, they show a movement with a Novodiac style shock absorber, then they show a magnified image of what looks like a KIF absorber. The same image shows a Seiko Magic Lever below the shock absorber. Remember, this is not a random image, it’s from the same company that produces the movement. Strange, but these inconsistencies are not unfounded with the watch manufacturers in China. Just look at the description for some factory’s watches and you will see the movement listed as quartz when it is an automatic in the picture.

PT5000/ETA 2824-2 Swapability:

Since the PT5000 is a clone of the 2824-2, the sizes are identical, so entire movements should be swapable as long as the dial feet for the PT5000 are in the same location as the 2824-2. (Please confirm in the comments below)

Who Produces the PT5000?

We have previously noted the confusion with identifying Chinese made movements and the inconsistencies around the factory or manufacturer associated with specific caliber numbers. The confusion continues with the PT5000. Trying to find the actual manufacturer (such as ETA, Sellita, Soprod, Miyota, etc) to put in front of the caliber number can lead one down a rabbit hole with no clear answer.

You may see this movement referred to as the HK Precision Technology (HKPT) caliber PT5000 or the Shan Cheng caliber PT5000. The corporate structure might look something like this: Hong Kong Precision Electronics Co., Ltd, > H.K. Precision Watch & Clock MFG. Co. Ltd. > Chong Qing Clock & Watch > Shan Cheng Watch. Based on this, Shan Cheng is the name of a watch brand within the HK Precision Group, that uses the PT5000 in some of their models.

“On September 9, 2015, the first high-end mechanical watch movement PT5000 successfully developed by Chongqing Watch Co., Ltd. and Hong Kong Precision Technology Co., Ltd. was launched.” –source

Based on the excerpt above, it seems that it could be correct to call it the Chongqing caliber PT5000 or HK Precision Technology PT5000. The Shancheng watch with this movement also has Chong Qing on the dial, but that could also be because the company is located in Chong Qing, China.

Researching this further, some PT5000 movements have a logo under the balance wheel which belongs to HK Precision Technology, therefore, we’re officially calling it the HK Precision Technology (or HKPT) caliber PT5000 for now.

Shancheng PT5000:

Below is a image of a gilt (gold tone) PT5000 in a Shan Cheng watch. It’s not easy to see, but notice the rotor is signed Chong Qing on the left side.

Shancheng Caliber Pt5000

Here is an example of Shancheng marketing the use of the PT5000 in some of their watches. (source)

Shancheng Caliber Pt5000 Marketing

How to know if you have a caliber PT5000 in your watch?

Here’s the thing: although there are a few images floating around showing the PT5000 with a caliber number etched below the balance wheel, we have not seen a real world example like this. As with many clone movements from China, the PT5000 appears to have no identifying markings or engravings. There is no way to tell what it is!

It would really be interesting to know why the company would go through the effort to create such a decent performing 2824-2 clone and not want to mark every movement with their logo and caliber. Because of this, there is no actual way to determine if the PT5000 is indeed a genuine PT5000 or a PT5000… clone. Such is the rabbit hole of the Made in China watch industry.

UPDATE: Fake PT5000 movements in Chronos Watches?

No markings under the balance wheel means fake PT5000?

There are comments popping up online that PT5000 movements without a logo under the balance wheel means it’s fake. There is no substantial photographic proof that every PT5000 is engraved with a HKPT logo or caliber number. At the time of this post, there are literally 2 images on the entire internet that show an example of a signed movement, and they are both from the same source, without any background of the images, when and where they were captured, etc.

Therefore, assumptions of “fake” PT5000 movements are being made based on a single set of images online of markings under the balance wheel. That movement is likely a sample from the factory, with the actual product having a different finish and lack of markings. It’s also possible that any watch brands ordering PT5000 movements in bulk can make a special request to have movements “customized” with the caliber number for an extra charge. Anything is possible when dealing directly with the factory… that’s basically the point of doing business in China. The ultimate test here would be to crack open a watch from the brand that shows the signed PT5000 pics, is there an etching under the balance wheel? Now crack open a watch from another brand using the PT5000, is it engraved? Donate one to this site and we’ll open it, photograph it, and add it to this write up.

This is the double edged sword of buying Chinese watches made in China and being sold by Chinese brands on Chinese websites. There are trust issues for obvious reasons. Not only because it’s the land of fakes, but the lack of consistent information, lack of consistent factory names, lack of decent photographs showing consistent product doesn’t help.

In conclusion, don’t freak out if your movement doesn’t have the logo/caliber number engraved. No engraving doesn’t mean you have a fake PT5000, it just reinforces the inconsistencies that are often seen with the watch manufacturers in China.

The PT5000 is too new of a movement to make such assumptions based on 2 pictures online, and so far there are far more examples of unsigned movements than signed movements. Even the marketing image from the main Chinese watch brand using the PT5000 and an actual division of the factory that produces the movement… shows an unsigned PT5000 (scroll up).

Rant: Oh, the irony of the watch industry… clone of a clone “fake” movements of movements that are almost exact copies of original designs and are found in known fake watches, and were originally developed for fake watches, but because of the lack of an engraving (which is entirely common in Chinese movements) it causes fake rumors to start. How can it be fake if it’s coming directly from the source? So here’s an interesting thought: Most of the watches with the PT5000 are also available with the SW200-1, but do you trust that it’s a genuine SW200-1?

Prediction: After this post, all of the pictures of PT5000 movements are going to have the rotor set in a position to cover up the balance wheel lol.

If you have a watch that was sold as having a PT5000 movement inside, please comment below if it has an HKPT logo or PT5000 marking under the balance wheel.

Replacement Prices:

At the time of this caliber listing, replacement prices for the PT5000 were found online in the range of $68.00 to $72.00 USD.

PT5000 Macro Gallery:

Video:

From the video: This movement was in a brand new watch, filmed immediately after opening the caseback. Unlike many movements we see, it did not have any fingerprints anywhere, but there were some small particles of dust. The reversers have some grease or something else on them, and as you can see at about 4:05 there is some excessive spinning action from the reversing wheels. There is also a smudge around the anti-shock block. Minimal screwdriver markings. Other than that, it is a very clean movement. There is a loud click to the mainspring barrel during winding, which you can heard towards the end of the video when Rodico is being used to rotate the oscillating weight. Did not want to believe the hype, but after casing this back up, the watch is reading 0 seconds per day loss/gain in dial up and dial down position. Seriously, will post videos on Instagram, so follow @calibercorner there.

 

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PT5000 Pros and Cons:

Pros

  • Affordable alternative to the ETA 2824-2
  • About half the cost of an SW200-1
  • Multiple reports of impressive accuracy

Cons

  • No markings or identifiers on the movement
  • Parts are basically impossible to find
  • Warranty/repairs of watches from China could be challenging

Examples of watches with this caliber:

The caliber PT5000 automatic movement featured in this post was found in this bronze diver from a Chinese watch manufacturer:

Hkpt Caliber Pt5000 Keepthetime

More timepieces with this caliber can be found in the price range of $230.00 to around $400.00 USD.

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Bob
Bob
3 years ago

Fantastic movement. Mine (in a Hruodland FF homage) lost 25 seconds in its first 28 days of use, then 55 seconds over the next three months, easily beating any of my several 2824/2, 2894 and Valjoux watches. Annoyingly it stopped working after 7 months continuous use due to lack of factory applied oil. It is now lubricated and keeping near perfect time again. In UK we have a saying “there’s no point spoiling the ship for a ha’porth of tar” (half a penny worth). Here theyve spoiled the watch movement for a ha’porth of oil. Otherwise I love the movement… Read more »

Jack Wright
Jack Wright
3 years ago

My PT5000 after wearing it for 11 days 24/7 is losing 3.45 seconds per day. I do wind it every morning as my mobility is restricted. But i am very happy with this movement,

Sarfaraz Rahman
Sarfaraz Rahman
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Wright

same here, few winds every morning and the world’s my oyster!!

Richard Leblanc
Richard Leblanc
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Wright

A vôtre service, Mr. Wright !

Sarfaraz Rahman
Sarfaraz Rahman
3 years ago

Very good and reliable movement. I have the San Martin Mark 11 style timepiece with a bronze case and this movement fits perfectly. What i would say is, including 3/4 of the watch examples in this article, why do watchmakers use a movement with a date function, but is ghosted within the dial itself. Ah yes, reliability. Ergo, the PT5000 movement is fantastic, feels robust and long lasting.

Richard Leblanc
Richard Leblanc
3 years ago

Le mouvement est Top Class, vraiment le sommet de son classe !
Jamais encore un autre replacement aprės le dingue-ETA 2824-2,
lequel n’était pas pour la précision, que je veux si ravissant !

Dave Bishop
Dave Bishop
3 years ago

Do they have a GMT variatio9n of the basic movement?

Davey
Davey
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bishop

Not yet.

John S
John S
2 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bishop

Hangzhou 6460 4hz available in San Martin GMT watches. I came here looking for info on it. It’s been around for over ten years but little info can be found.

Chris
Chris
3 years ago

Can someone answer: What is the deal with those pearl colored rotor bearings? My ETA and Sellitas have metal looking balls. What are those white balls material made from? I have to say incredible pictures and video and content! I’m sold, I want one.

Ignacy
Ignacy
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris

My guess would be that they are made of ceramic.

Ryan F.
Ryan F.
3 years ago

I can tell you that I went into this post with a lot of different thoughts about this movement then how I’m coming out of it. Thanks for dispelling so much and clarifying so much. You should win some award for the amount you covered here. I’m blown away. I learned a lot in general, not just about this movement. Now I’m of to go find a watch with this movement to add to my rotation.

Graham
Graham
3 years ago
Reply to  Ryan F.

San Martin Watches do a heap of models with this movement as an option. They make pretty good watches by all accounts.

Marc D.
Marc D.
3 years ago

Off topic but man I love this site. I learn so much every time I’m here. I come on for one thing then end up getting drawn in and reading so much. You make this hobby even better than it already is!

Carl Bayou
Carl Bayou
3 years ago

I thought I had a fake PT500 but I ordered another watch from a different brand and it’s not branded neither. I don’t know what’s the deal with these Chinese movements but they don’t brand them and no jewel counts. How do you know it even has 25 jewels in them? The good news is my 2 watches are both running at less than +10 sec day against my atomic clock. Atomic clock is my timing machine.

S. R
S. R
3 years ago

Terrible rotor spin when hand winding and now rotor will only turn one direction. Trying to make it move the other direction just makes it stick.
My other one also has rotor spin when winding but I managed to get it repaired. San Martin themselves weren’t interested in taking it back for repair so I won’t be buying another.

Especially as it will cost between the equivalent of 120 dollars minimum to get it repaired here and well over 200 from most watch repairers. That’s assuming it doesn’t need a new movement.

A.B.
A.B.
11 months ago
Reply to  S. R

ETA automatic movements, as well as their clones such as Sellitas are not advisable to hand wind as it breaks them.

Michael
Michael
7 months ago
Reply to  A.B.

Yes the delicate little teeth get damaged, suggest only wind once or twice to get it going but then let motion or a winding machine keep it wound up.

Brett
Brett
3 years ago

Got my first PT5000 watch in the mail today. No markings on the rotor and none under the balance. Running smooth, but I need more time to see how the timing is. I did notice that hand winding it when the watch is completely flat in a horizontal position is tighter then I am used to and it makes the rotor want to spin like the one in your video did. Do you think they aren’t oiling these before they put them in watches? Or is that from too much oil? I wonder if it’s just because it’s a new… Read more »

A.B.
A.B.
11 months ago
Reply to  Brett

ETA automatic movements, as well as their clones such as Sellitas are not advisable to hand wind as it breaks them

Amir
Amir
11 months ago
Reply to  A.B.

What do you mean don’t hand wind them? How are you supposed to get it wound after not using for 2-3 days? Wear and move arms frenetically?

John
John
10 months ago
Reply to  Amir

You just “shake it baby~ shake it~”
Like my father did every morning when he wore his Longines.

Tommy
Tommy
3 years ago

I bookmarked this post and came back to read a section each day last week. Worth the read and very well done. You earned a follower and subscriber. I want to buy one of these now.

Mario
Mario
3 years ago

I have this PT5000 in a San Martin, Chronos and a Phylida
what i have found that on the San Martin winding the crown a full 40 to 45 turns only gives 18h of run time and stopes , i am going to test the Cronos and the Phylida
can some one with this movement test and see the run times.
Please and thank you.

A.B.
A.B.
11 months ago
Reply to  Mario

ETA automatic movements, as well as their clones such as Sellitas are not advisable to hand wind as it breaks them

david
david
3 years ago

Great read.

Ted Toth
Ted Toth
3 years ago

Got a PT5000 (appears to have correct logo) recently and a new dial face but the hand that came off the old movement that I’m replacing don’t fit can I buy 2824/2 hands and they should fit?

Lloyd
Lloyd
2 years ago

Mine in an escapement the watch has the markings under the balance and is accurate to 2 seconds a day, On the timegrapher it varies little with position but the beat error varies from .2 to.5 millisecond, The amplitude is about 300 when fully wound.

Dash
Dash
2 years ago

Good info, cheers. Does anyone know if you can replace a PT5000 stem? I cant find one anywhere and want to know before I buy a broken watch to repair… Or can anyone confirm if an ETA stem will work?

Anthony
Anthony
2 years ago
Reply to  Dash

Yes ETA 2824 stem should work

Kelvinston MacGregor
Kelvinston MacGregor
2 years ago

Incredible read. Thanks.

vincent
vincent
2 years ago

Fake ? I purchased one from aliexpress. My model has no marking at all, even on top. It came with -30s/d 1.5ms beat error from the factory. After regulation, the positional error is about +-15s/d. The asynchonism is about 30s/d from amplitude 240->320 degrees. The amplitude is not stable. Can vary to 30 degrees in one minute. Anyhow, the performance is abysmal…

Christoff
Christoff
2 years ago

Hi, I got myself a San Martin SN021-G with a PT5000 movement.

Besides being dead accurate @ +- 0 sec. a day it is also signed below the balance wheel.

Best regards,
Chris

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David Carter
David Carter
2 years ago

My Tandorio T701A 300m divers watch, a Seiko 62MAS homage, has this movement too.

JB
JB
1 year ago
Reply to  David Carter

Just received mine after waiting nearly a month to get a shipment from AliExpress. I got the gray dial with PT5000. Immediately noticed the smoother sweep of the second hand. The rotor spins with an audible noise, but other than that it’s been fine. The lume on the hands is much brighter and longer lasting than the markers along the circumference of the dial. Double domed sapphire crystal looks awesome as well.

Glen
Glen
2 years ago

Hello all. I think this is an important post as it addresses a new clone movement which is the PT5000. I bought an Escapement Time vintage homage watch with this movement in it. I am nervous about winding it. It winds smoothly but what I do is wind it enough to get it going and no more. The watch runs well, about 5 seconds slow each day after almost 3 weeks of wearing it everyday. I have also ordered an ST2130 to try that movement as well and am waiting for it to arrive. I can case and decase these… Read more »

Cyril. L. Davey.
Cyril. L. Davey.
2 years ago

But which handsets will fit the PT5000 movement ? C. L. Davey. Thailand.

Anthony
Anthony
2 years ago

I’ve got 2 watched equipped with pt5000 and unfortunately, both have problems… This movement is very accurate, there’s no problem with that, it loses about 2 sec a day. But the movement seems it’s not very reliable. It happens sometimes that is not hacking when you pull the crown, the winding is not really smooth on one of my two pt5000 and I’ve got them for only a few months (since December 2021), so… I’m not sure they will last very long but maybe I’m wrong!

Anthony
Anthony
2 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

So there it is, my second watch with this movement has died.. the manual winding doesn’t work anymore. You turn the crown but it does nothing. I definitely don’t recommend this movement.

SR
SR
1 year ago
Reply to  Anthony

A second San Martin I had with this movement and that I had to remove the automatic winding mechanism from because of problems is also failing when hand winding now.
I’ve hardly used it either but it sounds like teeth are broken or missing when winding now.
I tried buying a replacement from Ali but the movements are slightly different and the auto mechanism and rotor aren’t interchangeable due to this.

Anthony
Anthony
1 year ago
Reply to  SR

Mine has been repaired. I’ve sent it back to the seller, in China and the movement had been repaired (or changed I’m not sure).
Now i don’t use manual winding anymore…

SonicArmin
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

I have a San Martin watch with the PT5000. It ran very well with minus 5s a day, but was unpleasant to wind from the beginning, so I avoided that and used a winder for a day to get the watch going if I didn’t wear it for a while. After some 4months I tried the hand winding once more and the stem came loose, I was able to pull it out all the way. Amazingly it reconnected to the movement when I pushed it back in gently. It seems to be okay now but I assume I broke something… Read more »

John S
John S
2 years ago

I’ve had this movement in my San Martin watch for almost a month and have neither gained or lost a minute! I’m astonished! Don’t know long I can expect this level of accuracy, time will tell.

Tony
Tony
2 years ago

Own a watch with this calibre, great watch. My only concern is movement compatibility because i dont see this calibre available commonly. Dose anyone know what other 2824 clones are directly compatible?

Dave
Dave
2 years ago

I just wish somebody would do an old fashioned looking Railroad watch using the PT 5000.

Sascha
Sascha
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave

San Martin recently added a Railmaster homage to their line-up (“SN 0113W”). But sadly, it’s NH35 powered.. 🙁

paul King
paul King
2 years ago

My San Martin SN 021-g “Explorer” is running day in day out at +1.4 secs pd.
My genuine Explorer could never get anywhere near that accuracy.

Greg G
Greg G
1 year ago

Does the PT5000 movement come with the holder/spacer for use when installing in the watch case. If not, where can you order/get one. Thank you, in advance for your prompt reply.

Derek Swinger
Derek Swinger
1 year ago

Where can I buy a PT5000 watch winding stem?
Thank you.

Brett
Brett
1 year ago
Reply to  Derek Swinger

I would think since it’s a clone of an ETA then an ETA stem should work. Not for certain though on that but it’s worth a shot. This is my worry about a movement like this is finding the parts. You might have to order a whole movement and take the stem from it.

Phil
Phil
1 year ago

I have a bronze octopus and the pt5000 with a logo engraved on the movement

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Simon
Simon
1 year ago

Just got a Tandorio for $149AUD with a PT5000. Have to see how it goes but build looks ok and cheap for a watch for the movement

David G
David G
1 year ago

Great article – my old 2824-2 (Hamilton) is giving up the ghost. Have replaced mainspring and various broken parts in winding mechanism over past two years, but new bits still breaking, so now looking for a replacement mechanism without breaking the bank.

… but to keep it looking good, can anyone confirm whether I’ll be able to re-use rotor wheel and hands from the old 2824-2?

David G
David G
1 year ago
Reply to  David G

To answer my own question, having received and installed the PT5000 this weekend : *NO* the hands from an old ETA 28242 may not fit onto the PT5000 : the seconds hand fit nicely onto the new movement I don’t know for the hours hand, as I reused the hours wheel from the old ETA but the minute hand did not fit… the minute wheel from the PT5000 was slightly smaller than the original, so the minute hand slipped after fitting. This was “easily” remedied by swapping out the minute wheel from the old ETA also. I also swapped the… Read more »

Max Bennett
Max Bennett
1 year ago

Hi there,
I need to purchase a new winding stem for a PT5000, can I use the replacement stem for a eta 2824-2? I can’t seem to find a specific replacement for the PT5000, can you help.

Andrew Pullens
Andrew Pullens
1 year ago

I have a Pagani Design PD 1723 with the PT5000 movement. It’s an attractive, well built, inexpensive watch and the movement seems solid so far.

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Art
Art
1 year ago

I have a Cronos Submariner homage with a PT5000 movement. It runs at +5 secs a day (I compare with a radio controlled wristwatch which is perfectly on time every day). It’s really impressive. All my other automatic watches are either Seiko 5’s with 7S26 or a Chinese homage with an NH34 in it. The PT5000 beats them all on accuracy and the smooth sweep of the second hand. Only my Bulova Precisionist has a smoother sweep (this watch gains 1 second every 2 months).

Max Bennett
Max Bennett
1 year ago

Hello, I’ve been trying to obtain a winding stem for a PT5000 movement but not having much luck, can one use the eta 2824-2 winding stem in the PT5000? Thank you, I await your reply

Omar Alexander
Omar Alexander
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Bennett

Stems are cheap. Why not buy one for the 2824-2 and try it then come back and let everyone here know.

Max Bennett
Max Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Omar Alexander

Yes, thank you, I have ordered 2 stems for the eta 2824-2 let’s hope they work?

Omar Alexander
Omar Alexander
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Bennett

I don’t see why they won’t, but I hope so. Good luck! Why did you need a new stem?

Max Bennett
Max Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Omar Alexander

I purchased a watch with the PT5000 movement, it wouldn’t hack so I removed the case back and investigated, the stem was broken, I contacted the seller who sent a replacement watch and said I don’t have to return the broken watch. Hopefully the new stem fits and I have 2 watches for the price of one

Tommi
Tommi
1 year ago

Well i kinda fell for it aswell. Mine stopped working like after month or two -> I send it back and got it repaired, dont recall what was the issue. It didnt work for too long and just kept stopping and in the end didnt work at all. After that I guess I forced hand winding a little bit too much and managed to cut the stem inside ofthe watch (Yes brutal force and tools were used on the process) If I remember correctly the hand winding made really loud noise from the beginning. Has anyone managed to replace the… Read more »

Donny Boon
Donny Boon
1 year ago

I have both a PT-5000 and a SW-200. During handwinding, the PT trashed itself. The watch with the SW-200 has a glass caseback and the problem is that the rotor is spun during winding. I believe all versions of this movement are crap and will be avoiding them in the future.

A.B.
A.B.
11 months ago
Reply to  Donny Boon

ETA automatic movements, as well as their clones such as Sellitas are not advisable to hand wind as it breaks them

Sascha
Sascha
11 months ago
Reply to  A.B.

Hopefully I won’t jinx myself here, but: I don’t think occasional handwinding is a sure death-sentence for these movements. My two remaining Steinharts (both SW200-1, elaboré) are now 2 and 2.5 years old, and they both still work great. I don’t hand-wind them fully – just five to ten turns to wake them up from zero power and then vigorous shaking and/or wearing to finish the job. I had the older one at my watch-maker’s recently after I had dropped it and he said the movement looked, felt and performed fine when he was re-regulating it. That said: AFAIK, even… Read more »

Mike K
Mike K
1 year ago

In the Shan Cheng advert it shows Seiko Magic Lever-type pawls for the auto wind in the blow-up. Though, a close examination of the photo of the movement itself does show at least one of standard gears of the Eterna derived auto wind. So who knows.

Charles Odell
Charles Odell
1 year ago

I bought my son a PHYLIDA microbrand, “No Time To Die” homage with a PT5000 for Christmas. A watchmaker friend of mine regulated it. 0 seconds loss/gain. 0 beat error (see picture). The movement was clean and well-assembled. I bought myself a “Hulk” homage with a PT5000 from CRONOS. It deteriorated rapidly. The movement was covered in excessive oil and debris. I threw the movement away and dropped a ETA2824 into the case. However, the PHYLIDA is still humming right along. I saw my son today. He said it loses about a second every three days.

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A.B.
A.B.
11 months ago

Have this movement in San Martin DJ 36 blue, which bought as a birthday gift to myself, this watch has been my daily for 6 months now, and so far it outperforms my Tissot with ETA movement in it, both by precision and consistency, hopefully will last longer than my Tissot watch, my younger brother managed to smack in once and the crown went off spinning. PT5000 for all this time has been consistently within COSC specs

Sascha
Sascha
11 months ago

I’m starting to wonder if my PT5000 could be magnetized or something. Deviation (as monitored per WatchCheck app) seems quite high and erratic between different positions. I find it slightly weird that it seems to run quite a lot faster in more stressful positions such as 3oc up or 12oc up than in the dial/glass up position. Only had the movement for a couple of days now – Cronos 6005 (Subbie homage) and I’m certainly not going to cry “Chinese crap!!”. My much more expensive Christopher Ward didn’t seem to have been tightly regulated out of the box (or perhaps,… Read more »

SonicArmin
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Sascha

Mine was +/- 0s out of the box (San Martin) , but suddenly jumped to +45s/day. I demagnetized it and now it runs as -15s/d. Will have to open and regulate.

Harry no
Harry no
10 months ago

So far mine is running at close to a 5.5 second gain/day

John
John
10 months ago

I have to say thank you for educating me sooooo much about movements! I am about to assemble a watch with this movement, and the reason why I can purchase those components with confidence is you guys! Thank you for all your hard works and I really appreciate it!

Howard Bamber
Howard Bamber
9 months ago

I have a PT5000 in a SanMartin water ghost v3. It’s running at 1.5 seconds slow per day. I wind it at exactly the same time each day. I’m very happy with it and the watch for the price paid. Of course neither has any royalties paid for the rip off of the designs…

Zumi_303
Member
8 months ago

Gold plated version in my Addiesdive AD2028. Only visible markings appear to be on the jewel count on the rotor and the logo and “PT5000” under the balance wheel. The watch is a rather attractive Oyster Perpetual homage with, I believe, some Seiko influences mixed in. The movement itself has remarkably low positional variation compared to my other watches with Chinese movements (ST2130, ST3600, Skeletonized Tongji movement found in $30 eBay pocket watches) at +/- 1 s/d across 6 positions. It came running at around +5 s/d with 0.4 ms of beat error. I was able to adjust it to… Read more »

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BengtM
Member
8 months ago

I bought a Pagani pd1723 v2 with the pt5000 movement and it actually have the HKPT logo and pt5000 marking under the balance wheel. Runs at +/-2s/day,depending if on the arm/dial up /winder.

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Spencer Wilder
Spencer Wilder
7 months ago

The information of this post is unbelievable but it makes it much harder now to make a decision for my next watch. Seagull ST2130 vs PT5000 I can’t decide! What makes the PT5000 so popular compared to the Seagull 2130? Is the 2130 a better movement than the PT5000 longterm? Sorry for so many questions, I’m just really lost with this choice between the two movements!

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