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ETA 2824-2 Clones

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What is an ETA 2824 Clone?

An ETA 2824 clone is an automatic watch movement with identical specs to the legendary workhorse movement ETA caliber 2824 (or more accurately the current 2824-2).

List of ETA 2824 Clones:

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ETA “Clone” or Fake ETA?

ETA “clone” does not mean fake. ETA clone means that the movement design is based on the original designs that ETA used when creating the 2824-2 movement. The designs were patented, but utility patents expire after 20 years. Since the 2824-2 was introduced in 1982, the patents have officially expired. For this reason, it is possible to deconstruct the ETA 2824-2 and produce a movement based on the original design. Many have done so as it is perfectly legal.

Then what is a fake ETA?

If the movement is a clone and also marked “ETA” then it would be considered to be a fake or counterfeit. Similar to the watch it is cased in, if a watch that looks like a Sub was made in China yet has Rolex Submariner on the dial, then it is a fake watch. Without any reference to Rolex, even though it looks the same, it is considered an homage or clone.

Parts Interchangeability / Movement Swapping:

Keep in mind that just because movements are based on the designs of the ETA 2824 doesn’t mean that they are 100% identical. The clone movements are “based on” the 2824 but since they are not being manufactured by ETA themselves, they are not using the exact same tooling and possibly not the same materials.

Similar but not the same:

The factories making clone movements can make some changes to the original design for purposes of what they consider to be improvements, or similar to make their movements as proprietary as possible.

A well-known example of this is the Sellita SW200-1 which is the most widely used Swiss Made clone of the 2824-2. The layman’s way to distinguish the two apart is that the Sellita has 26 jewels and the ETA has 25.

While some watch enthusiasts have had better experiences with the SW200-1, the extra jewel isn’t proven to make it better movement. One thing for sure, the extra jewel is part of the DNA of the SW200-1 and separates it from the other 25 jewel clones, if only by a quick glance at the jewel count on the rotor.

Swapping depends on the location of the dial feet:

Theoretically, the ETA 2824-2 and all of the clones should be swapable based on diameter and movement height. But, after the measurements are confirmed, it will still depend on whether or not the clone changed the location of the dial feet. They should all be the same, but you’ll want to verify before starting a movement swap. If you have insight to this, please comment below.

BTW: You can buy a Chinese made 2824 clone here for $45 or an original one here for about $210.

See for yourself how close it can get:

ETA and Sellita

Ginault and Peacock

STP and Sellita

Video of individual parts:

Are clone movements bad?

The concept of “clone” movements often causes a mixture of controversy among the watch community. You’re welcome to share your thoughts in the comments below.

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Nate S.
Nate S.
5 months ago

I am curious why no mention of the the Miyota and Seiko clones?

Freedman
Freedman
5 months ago
Reply to  Nate S.

Miyota and Seiko don’t make clone movements of the ETA 2824-2.

Grail Watch
Grail Watch
5 months ago
Reply to  Nate S.

And before someone mentions it, the Soprod A10-2 is absolutely not a clone of anything from ETA either.

Christopher
Christopher
5 months ago
Reply to  Nate S.

Neither Seiko nor Miyota make clone movements, there are however several companies who make Miyota clones, the most well known is probably Dixmont Guangzhou, who makes the DG2813, A Miyota 8215 clone, almost, they’ve added a hacking function which is something a Miyota 8215 does not have. Essentially Dixmont Guangzhou is to Miyota what Sellita, or perhaps Seagull is to ETA. They’ve improved upon the design although build quality is debatable, which is why I… Read more »

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
5 months ago
Reply to  Christopher

While derived from the Miyota 82xx series, the DG2813 and Sea-Gull ST16 & ST17 are NOT Miyota clones. They use the same basic architecture, but their back plates in no way resemble the Miyotas. One look and any novice watch person can tell the difference.

Larry
Larry
5 months ago

Does glycine use a clone 2824-2?

Ric
Ric
4 months ago
Reply to  Larry

They use both ETA and Sellita movements. Which one you get is luck of the draw.

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
5 months ago

I would also add the Landeron 24 (nee DEPA Swiss), which like the Valanron VAL-24, uses Sea-Gull 2130 ebauches and then adds 51% Swiss value.

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