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ETA 2824-2 Clones

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What is an ETA 2824 Clone?

An ETA 2824 clone is an automatic watch movement with identical specs to the legendary workhorse movement ETA caliber 2824 (or more accurately the current 2824-2).

List of ETA 2824 Clones:

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ETA “Clone” or Fake ETA?

ETA “clone” does not mean fake. ETA clone means that the movement design is based on the original designs that ETA used when creating the 2824-2 movement. The designs were patented, but utility patents expire after 20 years. Since the 2824-2 was introduced in 1982, the patents have officially expired. For this reason, it is possible to deconstruct the ETA 2824-2 and produce a movement based on the original design. Many have done so as it is perfectly legal.

Then what is a fake ETA?

If the movement is a clone and also marked “ETA” then it would be considered to be a fake or counterfeit. Similar to the watch it is cased in, if a watch that looks like a Sub was made in China yet has Rolex Submariner on the dial, then it is a fake watch. Without any reference to Rolex, even though it looks the same, it is considered an homage or clone.

Parts Interchangeability / Movement Swapping:

Keep in mind that just because movements are based on the designs of the ETA 2824 doesn’t mean that they are 100% identical. The clone movements are “based on” the 2824 but since they are not being manufactured by ETA themselves, they are not using the exact same tooling and possibly not the same materials.

Similar but not the same:

The factories making clone movements can make some changes to the original design for purposes of what they consider to be improvements, or similar to make their movements as proprietary as possible.

A well-known example of this is the Sellita SW200-1 which is the most widely used Swiss Made clone of the 2824-2. The layman’s way to distinguish the two apart is that the Sellita has 26 jewels and the ETA has 25.

While some watch enthusiasts have had better experiences with the SW200-1, the extra jewel isn’t proven to make it better movement. One thing for sure, the extra jewel is part of the DNA of the SW200-1 and separates it from the other 25 jewel clones, if only by a quick glance at the jewel count on the rotor.

Swapping depends on the location of the dial feet:

Theoretically, the ETA 2824-2 and all of the clones should be swapable based on diameter and movement height. But, after the measurements are confirmed, it will still depend on whether or not the clone changed the location of the dial feet. They should all be the same, but you’ll want to verify before starting a movement swap. If you have insight to this, please comment below.

BTW: You can buy a Chinese made 2824 clone here for $45 or an original one here for about $210.

See for yourself how close it can get:

ETA and Sellita

Ginault and Peacock

STP and Sellita

Video of individual parts:

Are clone movements bad?

The concept of “clone” movements often causes a mixture of controversy among the watch community. You’re welcome to share your thoughts in the comments below.


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Nate S.
Nate S.
1 year ago

I am curious why no mention of the the Miyota and Seiko clones?

Freedman
Freedman
1 year ago
Reply to  Nate S.

Miyota and Seiko don’t make clone movements of the ETA 2824-2.

Carlos Ferraro Chavez
Carlos Ferraro Chavez
6 months ago
Reply to  Freedman

Seiko and Miyota use the ETA 2824-2 as a starting point but make their own improvements or variations. So you can not reakly call them clones. ETA 2824 typically has 38 hr power reserve, the seiko and miyota have 40 to 42 hr power reserve.

Luis
Luis
20 days ago

Seiko and Miyota have never made an ETA clone.

Grail Watch
Grail Watch
1 year ago
Reply to  Nate S.

And before someone mentions it, the Soprod A10-2 is absolutely not a clone of anything from ETA either.

Christopher
Christopher
1 year ago
Reply to  Nate S.

Neither Seiko nor Miyota make clone movements, there are however several companies who make Miyota clones, the most well known is probably Dixmont Guangzhou, who makes the DG2813, A Miyota 8215 clone, almost, they’ve added a hacking function which is something a Miyota 8215 does not have. Essentially Dixmont Guangzhou is to Miyota what Sellita, or perhaps Seagull is to ETA. They’ve improved upon the design although build quality is debatable, which is why I… Read more »

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
1 year ago
Reply to  Christopher

While derived from the Miyota 82xx series, the DG2813 and Sea-Gull ST16 & ST17 are NOT Miyota clones. They use the same basic architecture, but their back plates in no way resemble the Miyotas. One look and any novice watch person can tell the difference.

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
4 months ago
Reply to  Anthony Moser

The DG2813 has some clone-like brethren, including the Nanning NN2813, and the Beijing Watch Factory SB11, SB12 and B16ZR.

Larry
Larry
1 year ago

Does glycine use a clone 2824-2?

Ric
Ric
1 year ago
Reply to  Larry

They use both ETA and Sellita movements. Which one you get is luck of the draw.

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
1 year ago

I would also add the Landeron 24 (nee DEPA Swiss), which like the Valanron VAL-24, uses Sea-Gull 2130 ebauches and then adds 51% Swiss value.

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Craig Batten
Craig Batten
9 months ago

Edox 80?…

Brian
Brian
6 months ago

Altro clone: Meccaniche veneziane MV295

Anthony Moser
Anthony Moser
4 months ago
Reply to  Brian

“The MV285 movement is made by the Swiss manufacturer Landeron (Landeron24 base)”

It’s hard to consider this an in-house movement, when all that was involved was a custom engraved rotor. By that logic, Invicta should claim their NH35s are in-house calibers as well.

ZZ
ZZ
5 months ago

Just wondering if the 2824-2 ETA and 3135 ETA are similar in size?. I can’t find any information regarding the size for both. I would like to use both or either for a Rolex Submariner 116610. Thank You

AA
AA
5 months ago
Reply to  ZZ

There is no such thing as a ETA 3135. And why would you want to put an ETA 2824-2 in a Rolex Submariner?

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Tamas F.
Tamas F.
2 months ago

My Roamer R100 has an STP 1-11. As a new watch, it had +13-15sec / day. After regulating, it’s accuracy is outstanding. 23 days after, the watch has +35 sec now.

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Dustin
Dustin
1 month ago

Is there a quartz that can be exchanged directly with a 2824-2 or a clone?

William Hudson
William Hudson
21 days ago

I think it’s great now that patient protection is no longer in play. Watch makers are no longer captive to Swatch and can purchase 2824 clones/copies from other reputable manufacturers with assurance of getting a quality piece. We will see numerous improvements and variations to this industry workhorse in the coming years and that will be good for everyone…

Baran C.
Baran C.
13 days ago

I spotted the ginault on he clones list but i have seen some blog posts of ginault actually being a cheap chinese clone with pendullum mods

Marco Cubano
Marco Cubano
12 days ago
Reply to  Baran C.

A clone is a clone, it doesn’t matter if it’s a “cheap” Chinese clone, it’s still a clone. From the pictures it looks like all the other clones, even the expensive Swiss clones. So what’s your point? And what’s a pendullum mod?

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